Next Steps for the Task Stamp
June 5th, 2008 by Mimi YinA few months ago, as part of a general effort to pare down the Chandler Desktop interface, we removed the notion of marking Notes as “Tasks”.
At the same time, we added a more “generic” notion of “Starring Notes and Events”.
Why did we make this change?
A common piece of feedback we received was: “I don’t understand the point of marking some of my Notes as Tasks. Isn’t everything I put into Chandler some sort of to-do?”
Since then, there has much discussion on the Chandler Users-List about this decision. As it turned out, there were users who *did* find the Task label useful, used it heavily and were disappointed to see it go.
I wrote a summary a couple of weeks ago that includes a rough outline of next steps for addressing this issue:
Summary
1. We’ve heard from a number of users on the list that the Task Stamp is sorely missed and that the Star stamp does not satisfy the same user need. (It’s always nice to hear that a feature was liked and used!)
2. My next design project is to revive and update a proposal for extending the range of Item Kinds in Chandler to re-instate Tasks and add a Reference Kind, and an extremely basic notion of Contacts. This will be a good opportunity for us to re-examine the Task Stamp (how can it be improved?!**) as well as discuss simple things we can do to make basic, yet useful Reference and Contacts Kinds. (See Chandler as a Platform for previous design proposals.)
3. We have also discussed making a “Task” parcel available in the short-term as a temporary stop-gap measure while we sort out a more coherent story for customizing and extending Item Kinds.
4. Last but not least, we remain focused on users who will be heavy users of Chandler and are trying our best to balance competing user needs.
** One of my theories about why the Task Stamp felt superfluous to some people is that it simply didn’t “do” enough to merit use. The same could be said for why in PIMs, features like Flagging and Starring are more widely used than To-do Lists.
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June 28th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I am looking at using Chandler as my primary PIM and project manager. I love the workflow model. Its brilliant. Tasks, contacts, and recurring calendar events are my biggest needs.
Starring items would not work as well for me as tasks. A very important thing I need for tasks is the ability to enter deadlines and see my tasks organized by those deadlines. I don’t propose this instead of the Now/ Later/ Done system, but adjunct to.
The recurring event feature in the calendar entry form only allows for something that occurs on the same day every month, (say the 22nd of each month), but I find that many events actually recur on a fourth Saturday of every month style format.
I really, really need contacts with a decent search, filter, and export capability.
A suggestion: Instead of trying to build the application to satisfy only one segment of the user base, why don’t you use configurable modules? The people that like stars can choose the star module, the people who like Tasks can choose the task module, etc.
July 14th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Thanks for the software. I just starring using it, and love the ease of working with it. It is very intuitive and I hope to work with it especially if promised improvements are accomplished. I really applaud you adding the Contacts feature, and would also like to see a NOTES feature, which would be a compilation of reference information and not necessarily a “to do” item.
Thanks again
July 14th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Hi Bonnie,
Yes I agree, a configurable Chandler would be the most scalable solution to user preference issues like this one.
Re: recurrence rules. Nick Parlante has just contributed a patch that would allow you to do “Every 4th Saturday of the Month” style recurring events, along with a few other additional options as well. http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/chandler-users/2008-July/002096.html
Grant will be releasing a “test release” that users can try out before it gets incorporated into an official release. So if you’re interested, keep an eye out for it over the next week. We will be announcing it here.
Best,
Mimi
July 14th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Hi Richard,
I agree that a dedicated NOTES or REFERENCE feature would be useful. In the past, we’ve talked about adding a “RESOURCE” item type that would also allow you to attach files…which is more than you’re asking for, but I think at a high level, the ideas are similar: Some way to keep track of “reference material” that you want to keep around forever, just in case.
https://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11339
Best,
Mimi