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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on where OSAF is headed in the coming year&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Johann Botha</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8998</link>
		<dc:creator>Johann Botha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More ideas for improvement..

I&#039;d like options for:

* Week starts on Monday (not Sunday), mostly for the week-view
* Date format is day/month/year
* 24hr time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More ideas for improvement..</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like options for:</p>
<p>* Week starts on Monday (not Sunday), mostly for the week-view<br />
* Date format is day/month/year<br />
* 24hr time</p>
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		<title>By: DaniGro</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8653</link>
		<dc:creator>DaniGro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OSAF is doomed. Mitch made many statements and did deliver little. There is no trust left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSAF is doomed. Mitch made many statements and did deliver little. There is no trust left.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi Yin</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8617</link>
		<dc:creator>Mimi Yin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Webb, We removed the &#039;Don&#039;t trust your data with this version of Chandler&#039; from the startup screen for the Preview release, 4 months ago. Could you tell us where you are seeing this message? - Mimi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Webb, We removed the &#8216;Don&#8217;t trust your data with this version of Chandler&#8217; from the startup screen for the Preview release, 4 months ago. Could you tell us where you are seeing this message? &#8211; Mimi</p>
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		<title>By: Uffe Pedersen</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8615</link>
		<dc:creator>Uffe Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - great app

increased support for the 24 hrs system would be appreciated, so it is shown in the calendar and in the side bar. (At least I can type in stuff like 16:30 etc :) )

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; great app</p>
<p>increased support for the 24 hrs system would be appreciated, so it is shown in the calendar and in the side bar. (At least I can type in stuff like 16:30 etc <img src='http://blog.chandlerproject.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Karim Djelid</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8605</link>
		<dc:creator>Karim Djelid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

I&#039;m following the development of chandler more than a year now and waiting for the right moment to start using it. I also installed it (desktop version) tried it. For a long period it alsways crashed at startup butlately after a new release it was working.
My expectations were high due to all the reading I did before and even so I was positively surprised of some things. Where I was disappointed was the mail client functionality. I was reading that you may want to move completely away from being a mail client. For me a PIM System should definitively have mailing functionality. If you find a clean and easy to use way to provide Chandler as an add on to a mail client, ok maybe.

For now am heavily using Thunderbird (lot&#039;s of Mail accounts, lots of folders, mail marking, virtual folders etc.) and organizing myself almost only with it, specially now with the calendaring functions getting better.

So for me there is on one side THUNDERBIRD as a great mail client and on the other hand Chandler promizing revolutionary ways of organizing, working, etc. 

SO WHY NOT COMBINING IT?

Therefore Thunderbird Plugin sounds very good to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I&#8217;m following the development of chandler more than a year now and waiting for the right moment to start using it. I also installed it (desktop version) tried it. For a long period it alsways crashed at startup butlately after a new release it was working.<br />
My expectations were high due to all the reading I did before and even so I was positively surprised of some things. Where I was disappointed was the mail client functionality. I was reading that you may want to move completely away from being a mail client. For me a PIM System should definitively have mailing functionality. If you find a clean and easy to use way to provide Chandler as an add on to a mail client, ok maybe.</p>
<p>For now am heavily using Thunderbird (lot&#8217;s of Mail accounts, lots of folders, mail marking, virtual folders etc.) and organizing myself almost only with it, specially now with the calendaring functions getting better.</p>
<p>So for me there is on one side THUNDERBIRD as a great mail client and on the other hand Chandler promizing revolutionary ways of organizing, working, etc. </p>
<p>SO WHY NOT COMBINING IT?</p>
<p>Therefore Thunderbird Plugin sounds very good to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Johann Botha</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8594</link>
		<dc:creator>Johann Botha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mimi

I&#039;ve been using Chandler since the 0.7.3 release, so I&#039;m new.. but I like it and use it actively. I&#039;m involved with 4 companies and I have about 10 collections. Using it for calendar and task management... not so much the email parts.

I use only the Desktop versions (Mac + Linux/Debian). I only share collections with one other (developer) person in the company at the moment. Small company ~20 people.

My mail client is Mutt. I don&#039;t like GUI MUAs. I don&#039;t use IMAP much, only for Chandler really.

My primary roles are design, management and communication. From what I&#039;ve read about your goals for Chandler I think I fit the &quot;model Chandler user&quot; profile.

My Chandler usage thinking revolves around:
* Planning, identifying/creating/naming tasks, priority of the tasks
* Calendaring, mostly my own events, but also arranging internal meetings
* Following up on tasks I&#039;ve delegated

I&#039;m still not totally happy with the workflow for &quot;following up&quot; but I&#039;ll maybe hack something together with procmail and IMAP where I cc a special mailbox if I need it to become a follow-up task. More about this later.

First my comments on your ideas..
* I think the thunderbird plugin, facebook app etc. is a bad idea, focus on your idea and your users. Focus on your power users, the 1% that will contribute, the early adopters.
* Revamp the chandler website landing page. Good idea.. make it easier to find out what the tool is designed to do in under 2minutes.
* Post to the blog more. Good idea.
* Print, can wait.
* The rest don&#039;t strike me as very useful.. sorry (-:

My ideas:

* forget about the web app, focus on the desktop app
* make it stable, fix bugs, make it a bit less resource hungry, get it to start quicker
* move, not copy.. it&#039;s annoying that the default action when you try to move something from In to a collection is to make a copy and put a copy in Out. I like to move and keep items in the minimum collections.
* forget the In/Out email workflow thinking, it&#039;s all about collections, In/Out should not be that special, it&#039;s just a way to talk to IMAP. I&#039;d like special collections that map to IMAP mailboxes or sub-folders. Make it more power user friendly. I&#039;ll design my own workflow.. don&#039;t force me to think in the MUA model.
* when I send an email and save it to the IMAP events mailbox to remind myself to follow-up, it should not be in &quot;Out&quot;, it should be in &quot;In&quot;
* remove email MUA thinking, reply/forward etc icons in the top bar should go, focus on building a PIM
* aggregated overlays: how do people see when I have time to meet with them? how about a feature that allows me to select a group of collections and mark it as an aggregated overlay. I can then flag this agg overlay as &quot;private&quot; so it removes all the meta info (content) and just exports the time slots.. it becomes a very simple list of times I&#039;m already busy. I can then share this with people. I can use this as the default calendar to click on when I want to see when I have time for something.

Just a brain dump. Hope it makes sense.

Good work. Good luck.

ps. I&#039;m giving a presentation about Chandler at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.geekdinner.org.za/wiki/Cape_Town_January_2008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cape Town GeekDinner&lt;/a&gt; soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mimi</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using Chandler since the 0.7.3 release, so I&#8217;m new.. but I like it and use it actively. I&#8217;m involved with 4 companies and I have about 10 collections. Using it for calendar and task management&#8230; not so much the email parts.</p>
<p>I use only the Desktop versions (Mac + Linux/Debian). I only share collections with one other (developer) person in the company at the moment. Small company ~20 people.</p>
<p>My mail client is Mutt. I don&#8217;t like GUI MUAs. I don&#8217;t use IMAP much, only for Chandler really.</p>
<p>My primary roles are design, management and communication. From what I&#8217;ve read about your goals for Chandler I think I fit the &#8220;model Chandler user&#8221; profile.</p>
<p>My Chandler usage thinking revolves around:<br />
* Planning, identifying/creating/naming tasks, priority of the tasks<br />
* Calendaring, mostly my own events, but also arranging internal meetings<br />
* Following up on tasks I&#8217;ve delegated</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not totally happy with the workflow for &#8220;following up&#8221; but I&#8217;ll maybe hack something together with procmail and IMAP where I cc a special mailbox if I need it to become a follow-up task. More about this later.</p>
<p>First my comments on your ideas..<br />
* I think the thunderbird plugin, facebook app etc. is a bad idea, focus on your idea and your users. Focus on your power users, the 1% that will contribute, the early adopters.<br />
* Revamp the chandler website landing page. Good idea.. make it easier to find out what the tool is designed to do in under 2minutes.<br />
* Post to the blog more. Good idea.<br />
* Print, can wait.<br />
* The rest don&#8217;t strike me as very useful.. sorry (-:</p>
<p>My ideas:</p>
<p>* forget about the web app, focus on the desktop app<br />
* make it stable, fix bugs, make it a bit less resource hungry, get it to start quicker<br />
* move, not copy.. it&#8217;s annoying that the default action when you try to move something from In to a collection is to make a copy and put a copy in Out. I like to move and keep items in the minimum collections.<br />
* forget the In/Out email workflow thinking, it&#8217;s all about collections, In/Out should not be that special, it&#8217;s just a way to talk to IMAP. I&#8217;d like special collections that map to IMAP mailboxes or sub-folders. Make it more power user friendly. I&#8217;ll design my own workflow.. don&#8217;t force me to think in the MUA model.<br />
* when I send an email and save it to the IMAP events mailbox to remind myself to follow-up, it should not be in &#8220;Out&#8221;, it should be in &#8220;In&#8221;<br />
* remove email MUA thinking, reply/forward etc icons in the top bar should go, focus on building a PIM<br />
* aggregated overlays: how do people see when I have time to meet with them? how about a feature that allows me to select a group of collections and mark it as an aggregated overlay. I can then flag this agg overlay as &#8220;private&#8221; so it removes all the meta info (content) and just exports the time slots.. it becomes a very simple list of times I&#8217;m already busy. I can then share this with people. I can use this as the default calendar to click on when I want to see when I have time for something.</p>
<p>Just a brain dump. Hope it makes sense.</p>
<p>Good work. Good luck.</p>
<p>ps. I&#8217;m giving a presentation about Chandler at the <a href="http://wiki.geekdinner.org.za/wiki/Cape_Town_January_2008" rel="nofollow">Cape Town GeekDinner</a> soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Webb Roberts</title>
		<link>http://blog.chandlerproject.org/2008/01/16/thoughts-on-where-osaf-is-headed-in-the-coming-year/comment-page-1/#comment-8583</link>
		<dc:creator>Webb Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out &quot;make the system reliable for mission-critical use&quot;.  Up to this point, every release has been tagged &quot;don&#039;t use this for real data&quot;.  So we can&#039;t rely on it, so we can&#039;t use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You left out &#8220;make the system reliable for mission-critical use&#8221;.  Up to this point, every release has been tagged &#8220;don&#8217;t use this for real data&#8221;.  So we can&#8217;t rely on it, so we can&#8217;t use it.</p>
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